1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

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These motors propell MUCH bigger cars at speeds your xmod would fly apart at. so now, would mounting one and making the adjustments to power it be worth the insane gain in power? i am willing to do anythign for that kind of speed.

BUT: would the time and money(not too much) that i would need to invest in this project be worth the gain? not to mention the work and modding that would have to be done.

any ideas or suggestions on mounting a motor this big? I will obviously have to run it on at least 7.2 v and use my E.C.U. (still tweaking, final schematics to be released)

also, the Traxxas Stinger motor, is another motor of the same size to be considered.

Link:http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAMC2&P=X

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[quote:75efbe36fd="180GTRracer"]Should I go with something like the novak spy? or is there something equivelant and cheaper you know of? or something better for the same price and size. (space is still very much an issue.)

If you're going with a MRS4 upgrade motor or Mini-T motor, an xmod board with a Nelly should be able to handle it. The spy definitely won't be able to handle a 540.

Yeh I was getting ahead of myself. I was looking at the spy for the RS4 motor.
I will use a motor controller capable of handling the 540.
I dont have stock electronics anymore so I have to go aftermarket, and when I upgrade to brushless I will put the ESC into a truck I have.

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180GTRracer wrote:
Should I go with something like the novak spy? or is there something equivelant and cheaper you know of? or something better for the same price and size. (space is still very much an issue.)

If you're going with a MRS4 upgrade motor or Mini-T motor, an xmod board with a Nelly should be able to handle it. The spy definitely won't be able to handle a 540.

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Yeh, I have noticed the painful expense of tiny ESC's. I am sure I will figure something out. I will get something to work. Right now I am working to get the money to build the dang thing. I am thinking. I could get a performance motor for an RS4 or a mini t and use it, but I have this knack. ..this itch.... I want to see what the 540 would do, and I said I would do it and I pretty much have to now. But I honestly want to see what kind of monster I can create.
First things are first however. I need a chassis, a radio, and a servo.
Then I will go into mounting the beast. I amthinking of using a spacer to lenthen the chassis for the 540 and bringing it back to stocl length for the brushles conversion. Also as far as that driveshaft goes, instead of CF I am going to get an aluminum rod and fashion a longer driveshaft out of it.
I guess I am going to end up spending like, $50 on an ESC. Oh well, when i convert the car to brushless I can use it in my MRC unkown name monster truck I have. Should I go with something like the novak spy? or is there something equivelant and cheaper you know of? or something better for the same price and size. (space is still very much an issue.)

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Ive decided to take a page out of your book and use a mini x Rx. It is smaller, and WAY cheaper, and will work with that $10 futaba t2ph Tx.

Ok, I have a question. What size motor comes standard in most 1/18 scale vehicles such as the MRS4, Mini-T and the RC18? 300-400 sumthing like that?

Seeing as how I planned to use a 1/18th cale motor to begin with... I am looking in to Rs4 and Mini T motors, versus the 540.

My main worry with the 540 is the ESC. I need something small that can still deliver enough current.

The 300-sized motors are what are used, but the mamba is slightly smaller than that in diameter (round 180-sized). If you have interference problems with the Mini-X receiver, just put some aluminum foil around it. It doesn't look good, but you won't get interference (mine does probably because it's next to the motor). As for the ESC, there's a cheap Tamiya ESC that'll handle down to a 15 turn, but you can't run it through the Mini-X rx because it uses a separate plug to power the receiver. There are some tiny powerful ones, but they're ridiculously expensive.

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Ive decided to take a page out of your book and use a mini x Rx. It is smaller, and WAY cheaper, and will work with that $10 futaba t2ph Tx.

Ok, I have a question. What size motor comes standard in most 1/18 scale vehicles such as the MRS4, Mini-T and the RC18? 300-400 sumthing like that?

Seeing as how I planned to use a 1/18th cale motor to begin with... I am looking in to Rs4 and Mini T motors, versus the 540.

My main worry with the 540 is the ESC. I need something small that can still deliver enough current.

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Did you measure that Futaba rx? It might be too big even w/o the casing. That transmitter should be fine.

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Dude, I came into this hellbent on a 540(and I will still experiment with it) but you truly inspired me to build something great.
Thats what I was thinking, but I figured it would be worth asking.

I am thinking of getting this transmitter because it is cheap.

http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=421_36_48&products_id=3456

and this is the reciever I want to use.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXN510&P=0

that should run me about $30-35 total.

If I do go with that hitec Agressor setup below, I will probably take the Rx out of its casing and heat shrink wrap it. (assuming I can find the heat shrink)

[url]http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCXM5**&P=0[/url]

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180GTRracer wrote:
For those of you such as viperdout and brickmodder who have lead the way to this new era in x modding. I salute you!

EDIT: can the stock x mods transmitter be used with an aftermarket reciever?

Thanks for the compliment. The xmod transmitter won't work with any aftermarket electronics.

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Picked up a brand new set of bearings, (NOT RS but equivelent) for $9.43 shipped.

Thats one ting off the list.

I am ging to try and do installs and service for people as well as sell my old EP and chassis, and things like that. If I can at least get this done by Christmas I will be happy...lol. Cant afford to put too much into it, I have to pay for my real car too.

**UPDATE on the TOPIC of a 1/18th motor in an x mod.**
What I have learned.
The brushless system is truly the ultimate 1/28th to 1/18th motor conversion though.

No greater speed and power can be found and I believe the people who take the time effort and have the skill to put something like that together in a 1/28th scale format are truly the great x-modders. Those who can take teh power and performance of a 1/18th scale car and make it work in something half the size, are truly gifted.

For those of you such as viperdout and brickmodder who have lead the way to this new era in x modding. I salute you!

EDIT: can the stock x mods transmitter be used with an aftermarket reciever?

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thanks, thats pretty cool. a wider tire might help out back.

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Ok thanks.
so the topcad wheel widths are offset?

The rear wheels are wider than the fronts, which was done so you can use Mini-Z tires.

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Ok thanks.
so the topcad wheel widths are offset?

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ok ill look again. i didnt see them. What brand are they?

Well, the tires are designed for a Mini-Z, so you'll have to look in there. They need to be 11mm wide in back (which are hard to find on that site but there) and 8.5-9.5mm for the front. You need foams on the drive wheels, so if you go RWD, there's no need to get them for the front.

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ok ill look again. i didnt see them. What brand are they?

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Here is the body I would like to fit onto this Monster once I am done.

http://store.yahoo.com/matrixcollectibles/veils15silco.html

Still looking for the foam tires too. If anyone knows as to thwere I can find some.

www.rcmart.com

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Here is the body I would like to fit onto this Monster once I am done.

http://store.yahoo.com/matrixcollectibles/veils15silco.html

Still looking for the foam tires too. If anyone knows as to thwere I can find some.

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i got a radio off ebay the other day for 30$ that had been pulled out of a car after about two runs....used electronics arent WONDERFUL but there not a bad way to go for the price

most of my other rc stuff is used anyways.
what brand was it?
yeh i actually saw the hitec 2 ch agressor i wanted for $30 somethin new, on ebay.tx rx and a servo.with crystals.

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i got a radio off ebay the other day for 30$ that had been pulled out of a car after about two runs....used electronics arent WONDERFUL but there not a bad way to go for the price

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oK thanks, i can always spray down the shack bearings with wd40.

I use shims to get my wheels nice and tight anyways.

ok so as of now: i am looking at 100$ in a Tx and Rx + the chassis.
$50- on a ESC and $15 on a venom fireball. $20 for bearings.
$20 in allow drivetrain out back.

Then when i get the dough saved up: $120 in a mamba 6800 combo

Then the esc and the fireball will go in another vehicle i have here. or my boat.

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alright makes sense, i guess i was just expecting to see the power plug for the reciever. i dunno, as long as it works when i plug it all together.

There's no spare plug to power the receiver. It sends power just straight through whatever channel (channel 2 for a pistol grip setup) you plug it into.

As for bearings, I actually am still using the radio shack bearings with 0 problems at all. Tiny RC shielded bearings might be better, but since they're dry, they might heat up too much and seize.

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crap... i am going to need bearings, i need to keep this car running on something smooth and stable if it goes as fast as i plan. any suggestions on best set for the cheapest price?

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alright makes sense, i guess i was just expecting to see the power plug for the reciever. i dunno, as long as it works when i plug it all together.

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180GTRracer wrote:
nice, and thanks for the gear info. what is the switch for in the pic of the ESC?

The Mamba ESC? I believe that's the on/off switch...

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nice, and thanks for the gear info. what is the switch for in the pic of the ESC?

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[quote:06f0b16a2e="viperdout"]Well, you'll get total proportion, and nothing's stopping you from un-plugging one servo. My only worry is the included receiver is too big to fit.

Edit: The charger can only charge 1-2 cells, not the 3 cell pack you linked to. You can use either http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=b_a2020 or http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=d_%23A2500

yeh the reciever measurements are bigger than the other one i looked at, I may buy a differnet hitec one, and sell the old one. also those servos that come with it. I think they are too big to use, so i guess i will just sell them too. or throw them on another project i have layin aroudn here.

thanks for that, i got confused as to which charger to use, i was looking at the cheapest at that moment.

alos: does the mamba speed control have the power plugs for the servo and reciever? or will i have to solder those on?

UPDATE: THE CURRENT plan is to still use a 540 in my new chassis and all. Once I get the funds for the brushless setup, I will get it and install it into the chassis and do what tinkering needs to be done.

And this really haasnt gotten off topic, it expsed an error on my part though. I said, i wanted to puit a 1/18th scale car motor in my car, the mamba is. The 540 is a 1.10th scale motor, as I now know. So yeh.. my bad. back to mamba madness....

Oh yeh by the way, anyone know what pitch the x-mod gears are?

You'll only need to solder a plug onto the mamba ESC to plug your battery into. The mamba has a plug on there for the receiver, and the mamba also powers the receiver, which in turn powers the servo, so there's no need for a receiver pack.

The xmod gears are 48 pitch, BTW.

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Well, you'll get total proportion, and nothing's stopping you from un-plugging one servo. My only worry is the included receiver is too big to fit.

Edit: The charger can only charge 1-2 cells, not the 3 cell pack you linked to. You can use either http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=b_a2020 or http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=d_%23A2500

yeh the reciever measurements are bigger than the other one i looked at, I may buy a differnet hitec one, and sell the old one. also those servos that come with it. I think they are too big to use, so i guess i will just sell them too. or throw them on another project i have layin aroudn here.

thanks for that, i got confused as to which charger to use, i was looking at the cheapest at that moment.

alos: does the mamba speed control have the power plugs for the servo and reciever? or will i have to solder those on?

UPDATE: THE CURRENT plan is to still use a 540 in my new chassis and all. Once I get the funds for the brushless setup, I will get it and install it into the chassis and do what tinkering needs to be done.

And this really haasnt gotten off topic, it expsed an error on my part though. I said, i wanted to puit a 1/18th scale car motor in my car, the mamba is. The 540 is a 1.10th scale motor, as I now know. So yeh.. my bad. back to mamba madness....

Oh yeh by the way, anyone know what pitch the x-mod gears are?

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Well, you'll get total proportion, and nothing's stopping you from un-plugging one servo. My only worry is the included receiver is too big to fit.

Edit: The charger can only charge 1-2 cells, not the 3 cell pack you linked to. You can use either http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=b_a2020 or http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=d_%23A2500

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Ok Here are the parts I want to use if I decide to b uild a fully custom and brushless x mod.

Custom Chassis, of carbon fiber or fiberglass.
(will be made to hold all the electronics and new motor.)
Brushless Setup:
Mamba 6800 comp
http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=c_%23mamba6800combo

Radio Setup:
Hitec Agressor AM Tx and Rx
[url]http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCXM5**&P=0[/url]

Servo:
Hitec Hs55

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXTX41&P=ML

Battery Setup:
Kokam 750maH 11.1v Li-Poly
http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=d_%23K740_11.1

and this charger, if it is compatable...?
http://www.b-p-p.com/proddetail.php?prod=a_%23AS1215

and yeh I know that hitec comvbo comes with two servos... I figure i can shove em in somthing, the whole radio setup aint bad for 50 bucks.

So viper, will all this work together like it should? also.. abotu the radio, Is the speed gonna be On/Off or proportional to the movement of the trigger?

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[quote:696329ab0f="180GTRracer"]where can i get the reciever and the servo? also, how small is the reciever? and will all this plug right up? or what am i giong to have to do.. supposing i go brushless and upgrade all this, like i would like to.

I'm writing up a detailed PM right now.

yeh thanks man for the info. you rock.

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where can i get the reciever and the servo? also, how small is the reciever? and will all this plug right up? or what am i giong to have to do.. supposing i go brushless and upgrade all this, like i would like to.

I'm writing up a detailed PM right now.

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where can i get the reciever and the servo? also, how small is the reciever? and will all this plug right up? or what am i giong to have to do.. supposing i go brushless and upgrade all this, like i would like to.

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ok viperdout you are starting to become very convincing. Yes it would cost me a hundred bucks for the motor and the ESC. but im thinking i could live with it. not to mention the gom parts im gonna need. BUT...what else do i need? what about an aftermarket reciever and servo? nad wheels and tires are on my to do list, allthough i have some nice tires form a dicast model i hat that fit perfectly, are bigger, and have awesome tread.

but anyways my main question to you is..

if i go brushless instead of 540, what ALL do i need?

Well, also at bpp, the Mamba motors are very cheap. Many people are using a Mamba ESC with another brushless motor, but I just deicded to use the Mamba motor as well. The motor/ESC combo will cost you between 100 and 120, depending on shipping. I'm running a Mamba 6800 myself, and it's extremely fast and torquey. The motor mount is pretty easy. An xmod 130 is the same diameter on the rounde part as a Mamba motor, so you just have to cut the top and bottom off, then drill 2 holes so you can bolt it onto the mamba. The mamba runs very cool, so there's no worries about fitting a heatsink.

Anyway, back to things you'll need. You can either go with pro electronics, such as a hitec HS55 servo and either a novak receiver or another brand with a hobby-quality controller, or you can buy an adapter circuit off of brickmodder, which I think still has a few left. PM me and I'll get you his email. It essentially turns the xmod electronics into a receiver/servo combo. The other problem will be the gear. A friend of mine made a whole brass thing that holds the outside of a 28 tooth bevel, but others have found other ways. I'd also suggest a Tiny RC carbon fiber chassis, as that'll give you room to spread out with putting in all the stuff. Lastly, you'd need batteries and the aluminum drivetrain, but you'd need that with the 540 combo anyway.

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Also to add, li-ions won't work, even in series/parallel configuration. You'll need li-pos, and very big ones. Last time I checked, the batteries that went into my emaxx (when I still had it) were rated at roughly 30 amps continuous, and to get that out of a li-po, you'll be making a battery that's too big to fit on the chassis (much smaller than a standard battery pack though

Ok, so Li-Poly is the way to go. Dude, Your emaxx pushes TWO 550 sized motors. and HAS TWO batteries propelling it. This car will pull at MAXIMUM 7 amps. Its a lighter car too, so it wont have to work quite as hard.
Im thinking of going with one of the Li-Po packs you suggested thanks for the site. And the venom fireball fits under my stock body(with nothing else in the chassis, talking height wise.
I dont have the money to go brushless. Im lookin at about $50 to go 540 and Li-Po. Im going no smaller than a 300 but for rigth now I am still shooting for a 540.

True, but every 1:10 uses the same packs. My friend's Rusty (when he still had it) used a single 7 cell. BTW, they were wired in series, so you might be able to get away with the kokam 1500, but the Emaxx also runs 23 turn motors, and a 17 turn or hotter draws quite a bit more. Also, I have a feeling that you'll need a Nelly or V2.2 at very least to handle the draw.

The 50 dollar budget I guarantee you will break. The battery and motor alone will cost you that, then you will need to make a motor mount, and the hardest part of my brushless build (which will happen with any round can swap in an xmod) is what pinion you need. If you do end up using the Venom, it's got a 3mm shaft diameter, so it shouldn't be too hard to get a pinion, but it could. The gear pitch on xmods is 48 pitch. My mamba has a can diameter of 20mm, and in order to clear the driveshaft and driveshaft holder, a 28 tooth pinion just squeeked by in order to reach the bevel, so I'd take a guess and say that you'll need at least a 30 or more tooth pinion to reach the bevel and have the motor high enough to clear the driveshaft.

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ok viperdout you are starting to become very convincing. Yes it would cost me a hundred bucks for the motor and the ESC. but im thinking i could live with it. not to mention the gom parts im gonna need. BUT...what else do i need? what about an aftermarket reciever and servo? nad wheels and tires are on my to do list, allthough i have some nice tires form a dicast model i hat that fit perfectly, are bigger, and have awesome tread.

but anyways my main question to you is..

if i go brushless instead of 540, what ALL do i need?

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Also to add, li-ions won't work, even in series/parallel configuration. You'll need li-pos, and very big ones. Last time I checked, the batteries that went into my emaxx (when I still had it) were rated at roughly 30 amps continuous, and to get that out of a li-po, you'll be making a battery that's too big to fit on the chassis (much smaller than a standard battery pack though

Ok, so Li-Poly is the way to go. Dude, Your emaxx pushes TWO 550 sized motors. and HAS TWO batteries propelling it. This car will pull at MAXIMUM 7 amps. Its a lighter car too, so it wont have to work quite as hard.
Im thinking of going with one of the Li-Po packs you suggested thanks for the site. And the venom fireball fits under my stock body(with nothing else in the chassis, talking height wise.
I dont have the money to go brushless. Im lookin at about $50 to go 540 and Li-Po. Im going no smaller than a 300 but for rigth now I am still shooting for a 540.

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[quote:befa6b232b="chicken"]also consider this micro 300 motor... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=5985844972&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW by daniel kuo.he can catch up to mambas on his track 8O with that brushed motor.i have one of his older version motors.fast as hell in my micro rs4.the only problem i see using a larger scale motor is the gear ratio. and as stated above, you'll need sub-c batteries to run a 540 motor or it wouldnt work properly.
btw the smallest car to run a 540 motor i think is th micro rs4 with a special chassis that isnt sold any more.it accomodated 6 sub-c batteries that barely fit into the bigger bodies.no offence but i personally think its impossible to run a 540 in an xmod. although someone did do it i think on the xmodrc forum under "project funny car".he extende his chassis pretty long though.try a 300 or modify the 180 you already have for an easier experience than a 540.
any pics of your chassis?i'd love to see it.
good luck.
imChinOaChickeN

Rigth now it is still on the paper, being tweaked for maximum space under my body. It will be cut out of a thin and strong peice of fiberglass, drilled out, lightened, sanded, paitned. and read to run soon.

The body i am using is a 1:25th scale 1967 mustnag gt fastback. The wheel base is stretched about half an inch. The car is longer, and my chassis is wider. under all measurement circumstances I can fit it. Power is an issue. I dont know too much in this area. I was planning one a 4 li-ion 7.2 volt setup. Can someone please explain what the crap a sub-c is? i think i know but iam not sure as to if i am right.

My car will also probly not get the AWD treatment. this could be a problem, control wise. unless, i pull a custom fabbed driveshaft out of my...well you know.

I am not doing it for the heck of it, i am doing this because i like to prove people wrong when they tell me i cant do something.

My car will probably not get much track time when i get it all together either, because i wont have ny gpm parts other than cupjoints, and i dont want to destroy the plastic parts until i get strong pieces.

Also.. gonna have to glue tires to hold the 540's torque. hell, if i could fit a 550 id do that. lol i just basically want the fastest x mod then ill sell it to the highest bidder ....oneday.

but back to my question people. is a 4 li-ion set gonna push this?...the batteries are 2000mah li-ions in a 7.2 volt setup. with 4 batts.

Well, I've seen a 540 in an xmod, but it was installed in a much longer chassis, and it was under a funny car body. There's no way that 540 will fit under any 1:24 body except a very tall one, such as the funny car's.

Also, I suggest not bothering with a 17 turn and going straight for the 9 turn with all aftermarket electronics, since there's no amount of fets on an xmod board that can supply a 500-sized motor.

Also to add, li-ions won't work, even in series/parallel configuration. You'll need li-pos, and very big ones. Last time I checked, the batteries that went into my emaxx (when I still had it) were rated at roughly 30 amps continuous, and to get that out of a li-po, you'll be making a battery that's too big to fit on the chassis (much smaller than a standard battery pack though). Since the xmod's so light, you might be able to scrape by on a kokam 1500 pack. Thunder Power might have a better battery than that in the size you need too. www.b-p-p.com has damn good batteries and good prices, so you'll probably have to buy some stuff there. Li-ions in this application will burst the tab on the front of them, rendering them useless and making a mess.

I personally think it'd be easier (and faster in both building and final speed) to go brushless. It's a much smaller motor, that size motor has been crammed in an xmod more than once, and you'll get almost as much torque. Xmod tires rip up with a burshless anyway...

chicken
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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

you dont know what sun-c's are?!? your gonna have a really tough time with 6 of those under your body. their pretty much like the size of c batteries.you know how big those are right? i dought tehre is a li-poly pack that you can use with a 540 motor. try maybe cheapbatterypacks.com.they have 20C li-poly packs but i doubt any will fit.
im not sure about the batts you said though... not trying to discourage you though.mad props to you if you egt this done with a 540 motor and AWD.

BTW.you WILL need AWD and a ton of GPM

good luck
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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

And just for shits and giggles, i thought i would tell you all i am using a venom fireball modified motor. 17 turn double. fast as f....fruit. :twisted:

180GTRracer
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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

chicken wrote:
also consider this micro 300 motor... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=5985844972&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW by daniel kuo.he can catch up to mambas on his track 8O with that brushed motor.i have one of his older version motors.fast as hell in my micro rs4.the only problem i see using a larger scale motor is the gear ratio. and as stated above, you'll need sub-c batteries to run a 540 motor or it wouldnt work properly.
btw the smallest car to run a 540 motor i think is th micro rs4 with a special chassis that isnt sold any more.it accomodated 6 sub-c batteries that barely fit into the bigger bodies.no offence but i personally think its impossible to run a 540 in an xmod. although someone did do it i think on the xmodrc forum under "project funny car".he extende his chassis pretty long though.try a 300 or modify the 180 you already have for an easier experience than a 540.
any pics of your chassis?i'd love to see it.
good luck.
imChinOaChickeN

Rigth now it is still on the paper, being tweaked for maximum space under my body. It will be cut out of a thin and strong peice of fiberglass, drilled out, lightened, sanded, paitned. and read to run soon.

The body i am using is a 1:25th scale 1967 mustnag gt fastback. The wheel base is stretched about half an inch. The car is longer, and my chassis is wider. under all measurement circumstances I can fit it. Power is an issue. I dont know too much in this area. I was planning one a 4 li-ion 7.2 volt setup. Can someone please explain what the crap a sub-c is? i think i know but iam not sure as to if i am right.

My car will also probly not get the AWD treatment. this could be a problem, control wise. unless, i pull a custom fabbed driveshaft out of my...well you know.

I am not doing it for the heck of it, i am doing this because i like to prove people wrong when they tell me i cant do something.

My car will probably not get much track time when i get it all together either, because i wont have ny gpm parts other than cupjoints, and i dont want to destroy the plastic parts until i get strong pieces.

Also.. gonna have to glue tires to hold the 540's torque. hell, if i could fit a 550 id do that. lol i just basically want the fastest x mod then ill sell it to the highest bidder ....oneday.

but back to my question people. is a 4 li-ion set gonna push this?...the batteries are 2000mah li-ions in a 7.2 volt setup. with 4 batts.

viperdout
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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

If I ever bought a MRS4, it'd most likely get a 9 turn 540.

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

also consider this micro 300 motor... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=5985844972&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW by daniel kuo.he can catch up to mambas on his track 8O with that brushed motor.i have one of his older version motors.fast as hell in my micro rs4.the only problem i see using a larger scale motor is the gear ratio. and as stated above, you'll need sub-c batteries to run a 540 motor or it wouldnt work properly.
btw the smallest car to run a 540 motor i think is th micro rs4 with a special chassis that isnt sold any more.it accomodated 6 sub-c batteries that barely fit into the bigger bodies.no offence but i personally think its impossible to run a 540 in an xmod. although someone did do it i think on the xmodrc forum under "project funny car".he extende his chassis pretty long though.try a 300 or modify the 180 you already have for an easier experience than a 540.
any pics of your chassis?i'd love to see it.
good luck.
imChinOaChickeN

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

180GTRracer wrote:
These motors propell MUCH bigger cars at speeds your xmod would fly apart at. so now, would mounting one and making the adjustments to power it be worth the insane gain in power? i am willing to do anythign for that kind of speed.

BUT: would the time and money(not too much) that i would need to invest in this project be worth the gain? not to mention the work and modding that would have to be done.

any ideas or suggestions on mounting a motor this big? I will obviously have to run it on at least 7.2 v and use my E.C.U. (still tweaking, final schematics to be released)

also, the Traxxas Stinger motor, is another motor of the same size to be considered.

Link:http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAMC2&P=X

The stinger is a 540 motor, which means it's about 1/2-5/8ths the size of an xmod.

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

*shrug*, pretty hard to fit a 540 in the micro rs4.

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

180GTRracer wrote:

also, the Traxxas Stinger motor, is another motor of the same size to be considered.
Link:http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAMC2&P=X

This is what i was smoking.. A traxxas stinger, as he states the same size, is not however. Its a 540...

ph2t
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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

Fair point, but I'm looking at it from a weight/intertia perspective as well. Keeping the car light will help transfer this power. It's all about finding a balance between power / weight and balance.

ph2t.

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

ph2t wrote:
learn to design a really good 130 sized motor and make your eletronics and battery power source efficient. this method is superior to putting in a larger motor in all aspects..

cheers,

ph2t.

unless of course you learn to design a really good (insert larger sized motor here) and still make your electronics and battery source efficient.

As far as electric motors go...bigger is pretty much always more efficient. More efficient means more power

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

learn to design a really good 130 sized motor and make your eletronics and battery power source efficient. this method is superior to putting in a larger motor in all aspects..

cheers,

ph2t.

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

You'll have a hard time fitting batteries to power a hot-540 motor. You'll need some sub-C size stuff if you want to be in the 'safe' current output region of the cells. AA and even moreso AAA will get real hot and their internal resistance will just bog the whole system down.

At that point you'll need to make a 1/12th scale car to fit it all...and then you're better off grabbing whatever the new hot road car is instead of engineering it all yourself.

180GTRracer
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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

WEll, a 280 and bigger (the RS motor i have) will fit in the stock chassis with some modifications. I am making a custom chassis to hold a bigger motor, and have better battery mounts. It will be fiberglass and be lighter, stronger, and have better cooling as well as have a lil more room.

So mounting a bigger motor is only limited by how much engineering one wants to put into it.;-)

I am thinking, I can fit a 540, snuggly in my new chassis, a 180 with room to spare, and a 280 or 300 with no problem.

As for powering it. Li-Ions or Li-Polies would be plenty, and lighter. BUT NiMH is what they run on anyways, so as long as you have the voltage you can push it. weigth will be an issue. with those.

I figure i can run a 540 outright on 7.2 no prob. mounting will be via a custom mounting plate made of fiberglass, or brackets made of erector peices JB welded together.

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Re: 1/18 scale car motor, worth the time and effort?

what are you smoking buddy, 180's, 280's and 300's are exactly what this thread is about :)