what are you saying, the magnets already stay up there by themselves, they fit snug with the shocks

well if you got small enough magnets, you could set up a bracket to hold them and there wouldnt need to be any work other than the magnet setup.

each shock peice would have an attatched triangle shaped thing (melting tabs on the plastic triangle) with magnet and maybe you could keep the springs.

Who in the xmod world knows how to adjust springs??????!!!!!!!!

XD comon now guys... stop nelling my thread heh. Well for one yes they repel harder then springs... seriously. They are strong for their size. Heres the thing though. After making these I realized that I was stupid in making them because they might as well be springs. A spring's rates can be made so that they vary as it goes up by the distance. All you need to do is expand the springs at certian points to create a higher spring rate here and there and softer and blah. So basically... dont do it for the performance because you could actually tune springs to work the same way. The flip side however is the electromagnetic suspension systems. Now this would be AWSOME. If someone is good enough to create one of these at this size it would own. Like i mentioned earlier in the thread. All ya could ever want from a suspension system can be created by this. Whats needed is 8 electromagnets on each side repeling. Then a sensor. A gyro could be used on a real sized car or mayb this if one can make something that small. Ether way something to sense the motion of the car. Then the computer unit will just say POOF more power to here to prevent roll etc.

it would, no problem, GPM is aluminum, non magnetic. that is, if any1 could create it and get a reliable product. once i get money i might start some work.

Interesting.....wil that type of setup work on a Gen1. If so I may be interested in buying some. And do you know if it will work with GPM parts?

What does that have to do with it? The magnetic bond will act like a spring, if they were touching, then it would be like compressing a spring all the way and keeping it like that.

with enough voltage, u can get much more. its teh amount of voltage thats teh question.

those wont absorb much preasure like a spring because the magnets wont touch each other

Actually I dont even have a complete chassis ATM. I lost most of my Gen1's in a move...

DC

i will when i have the time. if u have a light kit u can donate thatd be great. im broke paying for summer school right now.

The left and right would be hella difficult to isolate from the front and back unless you used more then one coil.

Also I forgot who mentioned it, but two coils per strut would not REALLY be needed. One coil and one permanent magnet would do the trick. Don't forget, that's how a motor works. A strong enough perm.mag. might help to amplify the effects of a not-so-strong coil too.

Hope you do play with the idea, and let us know your findings!
DC

yes i know all about suspension systems, especialy the DTS and other mag systems teh new cadi cars use. that baot motion describes my great grandmas pristine lil 89 Chrystler NewYorker, lol, hit a speed bump too fast and the thing bobs in a smooooooooth ride.

i didnt think of head phones, thats a great idea. ill look into that, i have many lol. to adapt them to the command logic lights would be the best for its auto control. harden the rears for accel, then harden the fronts for brake/revers, then ofcourse harden the lefts for right turns and visa-versa.

sorry to be way off topic with this comment but, I have a leaf blower that has a 17cc HEMI engine. Hemi is not JUST a Dodge thing though they pioneered it. "Hemi" refers to the "hemispherical" or "partially round" shape of the top of the cylinder.

Back on topic, we actually are talking about two entirely different systems that work hand in hand in the suspension system. The Springs, and the Dampers. Xmods have springs, but no dampers. If you've ever jumped on the back bumper of a car and been able to EASILY make the car move up and down 6 inches, then you have seen what happens with low dampening (that car has bad struts, as does my poor Mazda :( ). With very high dampening, it will still sink down, and rise back up, depending on how strong the springs are, just the same as it would without dampers, however it will to so much more slowly. This is to prevent your car from simply bouncing over things, and feeling like a rowboat what going down the road. Picture a suspension damper like being the cylinder in the tailgate or trunk lid of a car or even the one on your house's screen door. it prevents the lid or door from moving too fast, to damage it.

As for the DTS suspension, it is a fluid that changes it's properties in the presence of magnetic fields. It can go from the consitancy of motor oil to hard enough to hit with a hammer!! The way it works is that when there is MORE electromagnetic field, it is harder to move the dampers in the suspension.

The electromagnetic suspension being hinted at with the XMods would replace and take the job of the spring itself, and have basically nothing to do with dampening the suspension.

For those of you that just want to build hopping cars, as opposed to suspension that automatically compensates for road conditions, why not simply power the mags directly from the motor source, with the motor disconnected? This way you can have your car parked, and using the trigger on your remote, work the "hydrolics".

To get an idea of how strong electromagnets that small would be, think of your computer or walkman headphones.. there is an electromagnetic coil in every conventional speaker (conventional not including piezzo, or crystal, for those of you who'd correct me on that ... MONGO! ). If you have a pair that you no longer use, open the speaker compartment, and take one out. Without changing anything on the speaker, connect it directly to a 9 volt battery, so you have a good idea of what power it is getting, and then use your finger to push the speaker cone down. If the cone is already down, turn the battery around. If the headphones aren't important to you, you can poke a hole through the cone with a knife and pull it out and actually see the coil. You will see that coils that small are not very powerful. It IS still a very intrigueing idea that I will be spending some time thinking about!!

I do not remember who, but before Evo's came out, someone did make fluid dampers for the XMods. Anyone remember?

Thanks for reading a VERY long winded post by:
DC

they dont eventualy rust, it depends on what metals u use to make it.

the HEMI name is justa a gimic, its got the HEMI-spherical heads, but other wise its justa name. kinda like the charger, its not really a charger. its a 4 door sedan, notta 2 door monstar. alls i can say is dodge better get the challenger done right

i like the idea of a seperat transmitter. hmm

I'm pretty sure it uses electro-magnets, which eventually rust. Eventually. Either way, that's pretty sweet! I think they overestimate its reliability and how well it works, though. It's mainly advertising, like the Hemi engine. Yes, it's just got different piston-top thingys, the thing that keeps the explosions in the engine instead of all over the inside of the hood!

haha yup. It would be pretty complicated. Anyone can make electromagnets, but managing them is another story. The purpose of electromagnets would be of course a really fast suspension system. We are limited however by technology. I'll try to look into it more but its kind of complicated to have eight electromagnets(2 on each shock). (I'm not sure what their strenght is at that size...) then you also need for them to be monitored by sensors that can relay back to tell the system to adjust each individual shock by sending more electrical charge. Technology is the fall back... so errr yeah maybe I could make something after some physics at the AP level next year XD... or maybe during the summer I could hook up with some people to help.

The idea of having hydrolics on an xmod isn't far fetch - I think the electro magnets would work perfect in that case - the only problem is that you would have a wire running from your XMOD. My idea to counter that would be to set up a reciever board on a different freq. and add the transmitter onto the xmods' remote - Hey, I just said it's an idea - maybe someone has some suggestions they can pitch in... :lol:

mag lev is the closest we got.

Wow, thats rather interesting... its actually not the same but very close. Its got some fluids that reacts in the presense of a magnetic field. When it reacts it becomes more viscous making the suspension stiffer. Pretty neat, but it would be awsome to see a true electromagnetic suspension system.

cadillacs new DTS uses a magnetic ride control i belive.

its an incredibly advanced system, read up about it.

http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/gallery.jsp?model=dts

click 'features' and then 'suspension'

right, but the electron flow itself is a magnet without the iron. lookie: http://www.thingap.com/technology.htm

No iron. Well whoever creates it... gl I'd love to see this stuff on real cars someday. It'd be the best suspension system ever made if the weight and power problem isnt there.

wtf?

you have wire wraped around metal, in a spiral pattern. the flow of electrons in the wire cause the electrons in the metal to point in the same direction, making it a magnet.

different shapes mean different wraping of course.

no no, you wrap wire around the plastic. Like magnet wire around the iron core of the motor. really that stuff isnt really needed the core stuff is just to keep the wire in place. look up coreless brush motors and you'll see that a few companies have made them and they own.

electromagnets? just make a 1/28th air ride system, and wire up some extra buttons on your controller! that would earn a gold star. alright, im joking, not serious people, but whoever it was that asked, why would you wrap plastic for the electromagnet? plastic doesn't conduct electricity, and wouldnt make a magnetic field. am i missing something?

mmm yeah make sure you credit everyone around here and AM forums for the beginning of the magnet suspension system ^_^.

search the web, they have patent kits that u order and fill out apps, and crap. then send it in. it used to be on paid comercials

Yah, when I sell it. lol. Anyone know of a company that can help you get patent and copyrights? Or how do you do it yourself?

hot damn, my idea to make an xmod just hop around, started this?!

i do like that self adjusting suspension, that is a good idea.

or to have them slammed while stoped, and then pick up when triggered, oh the ideas. if yall come up with something, do plz credit me for starting the idea. ok?

Yes, bit on Bigger 1/10 and 1/8 scale cars it would work wonders. I already have a plan worked out. I just need to find a company that will do the patent. Don't worry, it's not yor straight idea. It's similar...I got the idea when I was in the shower..Yah, it's wierd, I don't sing, I think in the shower...

heh yeah its a great idea. I dont think it would work that well though considering the xmod is pretty small and the electromagnets would have to support alot of weight for its size. It would be nice though because it would allow tuning on the fly.

Wow, that would work wonders. Make it so when you brake, it stiffens the Front and when you accelerate, it stiffens the rear. This would work great with high torque motors...I just got an idea...But it's not for xmods!

just an idea texan but you could rig up the electromagnet to the light kit. it would be at a "soft" position at stop and when you hit the throttle the suspention would get stiffer and would pick up the body more for driving. i have no idea if this would work due to voltage limitations but, again just an idea.

ok wow... do yall read anything?! I know what an electromagnet is. This is freaking dumb posting to people who cant read. Basically an electromagnet is what a motor is; its what allows for a motor to work.

"If you had to do it with that method then the best way to do it imo is just to wind up some plastic like you would a motor and have the two sides repel each other."

:roll: someone needs to read a little bit before they start *itching about other's ideas.

"external power source" means its OUT OF THE XMOD. Thats why i was going... wtf??. No normal person that I know of needs to blow up to reiterate that an electromagnet needs power. ( THAT IS UNDERSTOOD) so why would you want your cells outside of the xmod agian?

exactly duh! ill have regular shocks, then the elecro magnet shocks for fun. ill try ebay, allthough ive had bad expirences with ebay. my account got jacked, and some1 was placing bids on 7,000 USD copies and crap

BECAUSE ITS AN ELECTOMAGNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get it ELECTRO means ELECTRIC which means it needs a POWER SOURCE.
and you wouldnt want to run it off of your liths or whatever cuz you still want run time. jeez.

ebays a good place XD. umm why would you run it on an external power source?

it would run off an external power source, yall are really over thinking this lol, i just asked for magnets.

Yeah man that would freaking own. I'm not so sure about the electromagnet idea but it doesn't look like such a great idea. You would need a way to control it and power it. If you had to do it with that method then the best way to do it imo is just to wind up some plastic like you would a motor and have the two sides repel each other. I'm not sure how its going to be controlled but it would be pretty retarded if you had it running from the motor ... err bad? hehe *forwards/fly up* XD

hey dude, where can u get those magnets? and also are some electro magnets made near that size? ive gotta idea, its stupid, but im motivated and need something original and entaining. haha, have like hydrolics on an xmod.

set the electro mags on a 3 way switch, ie: left being down, center off, right up. so when they repele it causes the front to jump. retarded, but id like to do it. better than trying an pnuematic (or how ever its spelled). my other idea was using the pistons from the old lego sets that had air tanks and that stuff, desided this would be better.

hehe actually i was a complete idiot about that idea. It doesnt work like that because the magnet isnt on one electron or proton its on a larger surface and does not work the same. The formula is actually F= qv X b.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

so yeah coulomb's law doesnt exactly apply to magnet. but hey, they still work well. I'm not sure if they work where it varies but ill find out sometime XD. I think they vary to some extent though

huh, i thought this would be all talk, but i'm wrong. that setup looks nice. with the whatever r-squared law of magnetism, the spring rate would vary exponentially as you decrease the distance, thus progressive rate.

brilliant. :wink: just don't drive outside, you'll have so much crap stuck to those shocks...

its a lil more for fun than functionality :twisted: still searching though

mmm electromagnet suspension? that'd be hot but it would be kinda heavy. Plus Im not sure that they could hold up that much weight. I have no idea where you can get anything of that size but I bet you could make your own.

kicking up an old topic i know but

does anyone know where i can pic up electro magnets that are about that size?

ive gotta idea, just want to get a parts list b4 i post it all

mmm theyre very adjustable. right now i have it set to somewhere decently soft. idk how to explain it but it feels pretty smooth

Whatever you do...Don't drive through a bunch of needles! :lol: seriously though, interesting concept! What's the rebound rate like?

lol if ya want, i got a few left over ^_^

Ditto, that looks real good. Good job man. Mind sharin where you got those magnets from?