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We cant help if you ask no questions, or show show no plans :lol:

*BUMP* :twisted: Muhaha 2 month resurrection. Alrite guys I need your help I am desinging the Gen 3 chassis and might use this kind on duel suspension setup. Help aprecciated

just to let you know, the hot racing aluminum dog bones I just bought for my truck are actually a mm or 2 longer than the off road kit dog bones!!!!

Thats sweet.

I barrow these pics from a member of Mini-Zracer forum ( user: AVANT). The steering mod shown in these pics is pretty much the solution to the problem of the tie rod limitation on the suspension height. I'll try to dupicate this one and see how it turns out with the new suspension - more updates to come soon.

@ Texan - this project is kind of a low-budget mod - I haven't bought any alloy parts apart from 3 sets of alloy rims. The tought of all alloy parts does sound sweet and durable but until I get it to work out the way I want to then maybe i'll concider investing in alloy parts.
@ Alvin - I made the metal piece that allows the arm to swivel from an aluminum sheet I bought at my local hobby store. I just drew the pattern and cut it out with a chisel type blade and a mini hammer. I sanded the edges down using a file but it's so easy to cut that youo can also use a clip type pliers to cut it. Over all it took me about 15 mins to make, I will be making a couple more because this one has 2 parts - i'll try and make it into on single design. Oh yeah - i haven't had any problems with the dogbones slipping out because the shaft in the middle keeps the knucke in place instead of it toeing out.

I got an idea for the steering rod mod but i have to work on it tonite to see how it turns out - i'll update you guys on my progress. :wink:

hey man i think that this idea is awsome, its it reminds me of a straight axel rock crawler suspension. simple but effective, how did you make that metal peice that the rear suspeapension arm that you use on the front pivots on.

are you running into any problems with this design at all? like dog bones slipping out or anything thilke that?

Back on drive shafts-Buy GPM ones, and a bottle of JB weld, and the tut. All metal, strong, yeh.

it looks ok,the suspension in the other pics r better,i think...but thats wat i think....sorry

Hey guys - I know that you think i've given up on this one but I have been making numerous sketches and plans on how to make the front wheels have more suspension hieght - well I have a working model done again. It's based on the rear suspension arm for the EVO cars ( it actually involves using one aswell) Anyways, here's the pics of it and hopefully you guys can understand what I did:
Here's a side veiw: just one spring is used with a shaft in the middle for the knuckle support.

As you can see from the front, I took off the shocks that were situated in the front.

And here's the set up: it has a custom clip for the arm which has the "see-saw" up and down effect. It does have and advantage which is that when one tire is lifted it pushes down on the other therefore the vehicle will not loose traction plus it also give alittle more suspension hieght. ( limited still at the moment until I do a steering rod mod)

I'll love to hear your sugestions and comments on this one :idea: - remember that this is just an idea that i'm trying to finish as a real mod for an offroad front/back suspension system. ( body lift would be required)
I still have to do a little work on figuring out a way to make the steering rod stop limiting the height but also make it work without affecting the turning radius.

I think it wouldn't last long reason be that the plastic parts always wear out, strip or break at the point of connection with the metal parts. It's a good idea but I think if someone can make longer metal dogbones for xmods it would be a hot item - I would definately buy it.
Now on my progress with this suspension idea - I can't find the right threaded shaft screw to fit the knuckle - I had to use some spare one to experiment but I kept stripping the threads aways on the knuckles so I figure maybe superglueing them in will be my next step. It's turning out to be a lil challenge afterall - especially with the steering rod which I forgot to mention also limits the front articulation in height. If anyone has any ideas on how to make a new on or to fix that please post it - I wanna hear more ideas. :idea: :wink:

Explain why... :?

yea i dont how well the antenna dog bones would work. theyseem like they would get stuck. or not run smoothely.

http://www.xmodworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=22981

Apply that tut, with smaller antenna tubes, and the xmod dogbones, and make your own custom ones.
:)

I think tha's the only downfall of taller lifts - the dogbones are just too short. Someone should make some alloy dogbones that are longer too - They should make 'em for the offroad kit which wouldn't be bad either.

i have ideas for a taller lift but i have no way to make the DogBONES longer they will pull out of the center every time

There's still space in-between the arm, and the knuckle. I can still see the screw inbetween there. I could add atleast two more spacers without a problem.

And it hasn't limited my suspension travel any either. So let's see what you come up with; sounds like a good idea.

I think I understand what you did there - the washers take away the play it has between the knuckle and the screw right? It seems to be ok but I think it would cause a problem with clearance if you put anymore washers on there.
I'm thinking of a new idea - it's kinda like making the truck front suspension arm be more like that of the EVO car's rear one- it will be able to articulate (like a see-saw) therefore giving the front more articution and suspension height. I should be able to work up a sketch but if anyone can do so before me please post it or your ideas :idea: :wink:

all this time i thought you guys were trying to fix the camber. now i can see what youre talking about. good work.

I had a stroke of (somewhat) good ideas. Atleast in my opinion. I seemed to have fixed most of the toe out problem, when the shocks aren't compressed. And it seems to be working very well, the toe out sure has gone down darastically on my Truck.

All I did was stick two washers (or more...depending on size) in between the nuckle, and the screw on the bottom arm. :D

I think it works. It seems to have. And I can even add more and more washers too.

It seems to have worked because the shocks push down on the arm to much, causing the wheel to toe out. But not theres less stress on the screw pulling the knuckle down, because the washers take up space.

Ohh, I see what you mean donzii.

Yes xmodification, thats what I mean.

why dont you simply lock the top part of the double susp., and set it vertical

Hmmm- all pretty interesting ideas you guys have here. :idea: Texan and Donz - i'm not sure i'm following that idea so much but I think what you're trying to say that the A-arm will be screwed to the front and come around on the side to the middle of the shock or at the top of the knuckle so that it keep the wheel from pushing outward right? I guess it could work - maybe i can fabricate something to see what it will do and take a pic for you guys. Alvin - I think that idea could work also - but I think it would limit the suspension if i'm thinking of it right, but i'm not sure.
Just to keep you guys up to date - I just bought some alloy rods and tube- pretty light stuff - I'm thinking of making some alloy shock towers for this lil project it will be durable and light weight also. I have to do one as soon as I get a little time but please continue to add you ideas and comments - I sure one of us can come up with a brilliant way of increasinf the front articulation and suspension. :!:

when i lifted my friends tuck, we put a duel shock tower like that and it had a similir mechanics, the wheels on his truck would bow out, so we had to but duel shock sstering stabalizer on the front wheels, so mybe you could fab one up that goes from one side to the other and would connect straight to the same points on both sides, it could be plastic or metal what ever you could fab up the easiest, but this way you dont have to mount the stering stabalizers to the chassis just to the suspension so it with articulate more freely.

I'm still not following what you're saying.

I see the problem that the A-Arm won't be able to fit in there because it is to thick. I just measured the area inbetween there and its only two/three mm. And the A-Arm is to thick, especially when you add a screw. But you might possibly be able to cut a hole inside of the front clip, to make the screw fit. I'm not sure.

Thats the screw hole I'm talking about.

Then move the mounting hole on the arm Higher up.

So its like

____|O|
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I only see one problem with that idea Texan, on the F-150 chassis, the front clip is in the way to the screw hole in that area. So your idea could only be done on a Hummer Chassis, or if there is no front clip on an f150 chassis.

Still, a good idea.

Yeh, from that screw hole, to the top of the knuckle. Maybe a front gen 1 A-arm Could be modded to fit.

Wait, so Texan; you say you want to have a piece of metal holding back on the Spring bar, and the other end holding on to the chassis?

Just trying to make sence out of those photo's.

I was thinking like that. I dunno if there is s screw hole on the other side too, but you get the idea.

Paperclips make it easy for mock up. Use pliers for bends.

I have been messing around with a few other ways of getting it to give the front a more of a lift - that idea of your Texan might be something I can try (swing arm). I have also been working on finishing up a trail rig project of mine so I haven't been focus on this one entirely - I just sketch my ideas down when it pops in my head and them when I get a lil time I try to dupicate it by putting spare parts together or using cardboard cutouts as a way to see a 3D model. So far I think that a 3 shock system and a single shock system I what i'm more or less going to put my attention on after my project is done. More updates to come soon but please feel free to post your ideas or opinions :wink:

Looks cool so far, keep us up to date.

I'm gonna try that today, I'll see if it works and then tell you guys.

as well by looking at it further, does it allow proper turning?

Dang,

That will look awesome when you get three shocks on there with the body :D .

Have the 3rd shock in a V shape from the bottom of the knuckle to give the knuckle a proper camber. Or just create a simple swing arm.

Does it give any extra suspension lift?

will this allow even more lift out of the offroad arms? my only thing i can see being a problem would be the 3 springs being too stiff to allow proper articulation. did you use car springs or the truck springs.

I did a lil quick put-together proto-type last night and I ran into a lil problem. It puts alot of stress on the knuckle which actually pushed out alot causing the dogbone to come out the axle. I did find a solution for that so it's nothing major.

Here's a couple pics plus a remedy to that lil problem: :weld

PIC1 ^^^ It's gonna be a Triple Suspension System instead of duel now :D

Here are a few more pics of the test model I did:

I have a couple more ideas for other versions that will work the same way and a possible working Duel-Suspension system also - I just have to complete the drawings and i'll post them a.s.a.p. - more updates to come. :rockon

2 cents :P

It would deffinatly be cool. That would be cool in all, but, I've been pondering and pondering about how to do it on a gen1. Either way it is a wicked sick idea.

Later,
RedSXmodder

Thats a really good idea. But I feel like you would need a center support between the shocks just to make it so they didn't fall out from each other. I don't have an Xmod in my hand, so I can't help myself. But I'm gunna really look into this when I get home from school. Good idea Xmodification! :D Nice drawing by the way.

--Donziikid