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Thu, 06/07/2007 - 08:36

SiN415

Joined: 05/08/2007

the title pretty much says it all
im picking up my h2 pretty soon and want to know which alloy parts and drivetrain parts are needed the most for a crawler??

for rs upgrades im getting 4wd, slammed rims/tire set and off-road kit
i still need some bearings & metal lug nuts

i want to pick up:
Truck Front Knuckle Arm-1PR (Silver)
Truck Front Shock Mount-1PC (Silver)
Truck Rear Shock Plate-1PC (Silver)
Truck Shocks -1PR (Titanium)
Truck Rear Lower Arm -1PR (Silver)
Truck Front Lower Arm -1PR (Silver)
Truck Front Streering Plate-0 Deg (Titanium)
GPM XMOD Evo Composite AWD Center Shaft Gear
GPM XMOD Evo Truck Composite Rear 3rd Unit Gear
GPM XMOD Evo Truck Composite Front 3rd Unit Gear
XMOD Evo Truck 3rd Gear Open Bearing Set
GPM XMOD Evo Truck Billet Aluminum Rear Dogbones
GPM XMOD Evo Truck Delrin Main Gear
GPM XMOD Evo Truck Billet Aluminum Knuckle Set - Rear

pretty pricey[sp?] but is it all worth it
are any of these parts not really needed
please let me know

im also lost on which parts numbchux is referring to in this post:

Quote:

since this question has been asked soo many times....

dogbones are different lengths for stock vs. lift.

BUT, there's a loophole. the front uses deeper axle stubs and shorter dogbones, while the rear uses shallower stubs with longer dogbones.

this means, that with the lift, you can use the deeper FRONT stubs with longer REAR stubs on all 4 corners. they will work fine, that's what I'm running on my truck. you may also want to stuff a little bit of something (plastic, toilet paper, etc.) in the stub to push the dogbone deeper into the diff....

this means you can also just buy a bunch of stock plastic ones from AM for much cheaper than the alloy ones.

note. I would also HIGHLY recommend using alloy diffs aswell. otherwise you'll snap those too (I've done it...it's not fun)

which dogbones am i supppose to purchase?
front, rear, awd?

Tue, 06/12/2007 - 15:47

#1

Donziikid

Joined: 06/13/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

SiN415 wrote:

i got a few questions after the first 24 hours:

1. Ive been around since they first came out so i pretty much know the first gens extremely well. This is my first evo xmod and was wondering if the motor is suppose to get really hot???
If you run it hard, and hard all the time; yes your motor will get warm. Otherwise, no, it shouldn't be overheating. Is it too hot to touch for a long period of time, or is it just warm? (Can you hold your finger on it for more than 5 seconds? If not. It's overheating.)

2. what is the best way to fix the lift kit toe out problem?
please post a links if needed
No. There isn't really an "easy" fix for it. But there has been one person on a different forum (Avant on MiniZRacer) who has made a custom tierod out of a paperclip. This seems to have fixed most of the lift kit problem. Problem with doing it, is it's a major pain in the butt to do so. I'll copy and paste a link when I can.

3. the body seems to flip onto its side due to its high cog and was wondering if what is the best way to stop the body from rolling too much?
Either lower your body, or slow down in the corners. It has to high of a COG, and there is nothing you can do about it flipping because of inertia.

4. im planning on purchasing the upgrades:
alloy front and rear knuckles
alloy front and rear stubs
alloy rear dogbones <------[is this really needed??]
alloy front dogbones <------[are these even made??]
full gpm drivetrain incld. fr & rr diffs
GPM is always a wise choice, but is it always needed? No, it's not. For what you plan to do with it, you could go with all drivline GPM, or Derlin gears. Either one will help tremendously.

Front and rear knuckles will reduce a lot, if not all wheel wobble. Front and rear axle stubs will also help reduce a lot of that wheel wobble. So yes, those two are probably the most important. Dogbones can be replaced just by buying them from another member. So do you need alloy ones? No. If you really want, you could fabricate them yourself. That way the would deffinetly be the proper length needed.

Full GPM/Derlin driveling, I'd say that's a must because you're going to be pumping a lot of torque through this thing.

anything else needed? No.
suggestions? Make sure you have fun after you've spent all this money!!!

Tue, 06/12/2007 - 08:03

#2

SiN415

Joined: 05/08/2007

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

thanks for all the great answers everyone!

well its been about 24 hours since i got my h2 and have done the following upgrades/mods:

installed:
off road kit
bearings
4wd kit
yellow springs all around

mods:
shimmed transfer gear
dry film lubrication added to all moving parts
articulation mod
speedy armature in a bb can with gold neo mags and stock gearing
locked front and rear diffs
ghetto swampers
bushing body lift mod
stock h2 wheel spare tire mod
inverted front clip
ghetto skid plate
body dremeled for more clearance [rear wheels still get stuck on rear fender wells]
metal lug nuts

i got a few questions after the first 24 hours:

1. Ive been around since they first came out so i pretty much know the first gens extremely well. This is my first evo xmod and was wondering if the motor is suppose to get really hot???

2. what is the best way to fix the lift kit toe out problem?
please post a links if needed

3. the body seems to flip onto its side due to its high cog and was wondering if what is the best way to stop the body from rolling too much?

4. im planning on purchasing the upgrades:
alloy front and rear knuckles
alloy front and rear stubs
alloy rear dogbones <------[is this really needed??]
alloy front dogbones <------[are these even made??]
full gpm drivetrain incld. fr & rr diffs

anything else needed?
suggestions?

texan_idiot25 wrote:

A tamiy gear box would have unholy amounts more torque than the servo I think.

http://www.xmodworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=23391

http://www.xmodsource.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93947&postcount=115
video^

i shall be going to my lhs when i get some more $$$ so ill check them out and see if they got any tamiya gearboxes for sale if not ill just grab a hitech servo

Sat, 06/09/2007 - 20:40

#3

texan_idiot25

Joined: 02/16/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

A tamiy gear box would have unholy amounts more torque than the servo I think.

http://www.xmodworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=23391

http://www.xmodsource.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93947&postcount=115
video^

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Fri, 06/08/2007 - 20:37

#4

SiN415

Joined: 05/08/2007

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

thanks for pointing that out nightmeer
any suggestions on what i need for my soon to be crawler?

Fri, 06/08/2007 - 20:14

#5

nitemeer

Joined: 03/08/2007

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

not sure about the cvds.... but if u want off road/higher ground clearance... i would not get the lower arm...

Fri, 06/08/2007 - 20:05

#6

SiN415

Joined: 05/08/2007

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

thanks alot for the info guys
lots of great info

alright new parts list:

all gpm drivetrain
gpm front and rear ball diffs
alloy front and rear knuckles
alloy front and rear axle stubs
evo truck ball bearings
hitech hs-55 servo motor conversion
metal shocks all around
alloy front and rear lower arms <------ dont work with off road kit
alloy rear dogbones
3rd gear bearing set
ghetto swampers and super swampers
mystery 1/24 model kit
RS off-road kit & 4wd kit
gpm alloy F & R stubs with cvd joints <-----dont work with off road kit??

also thanks for the link donziikid :wink:

Fri, 06/08/2007 - 09:30

#7

texan_idiot25

Joined: 02/16/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

If you just want to be bare bones, this is all you need

alloy dogbones/axle stubs
delrin gears/drive train
gpm diffs (optional)

thats it, simple. :o

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Fri, 06/08/2007 - 09:30

#8

texan_idiot25

Joined: 02/16/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

If you just want to be bare bones, this is all you need

alloy dogbones/axle stubs
delrin gears/drive train
gpm diffs (optional)

thats it, simple. :o

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Fri, 06/08/2007 - 03:03

#9

Donziikid

Joined: 06/13/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

SiN415 wrote:

thanks for the info donziikid
it helps me out alot

i got a few questions for you:

1. from what youre telling me is that the front and rear metal shock mounts arent compatible with the off road kit so it really not needed then right? Doesn't matter, all shocks for the xT are universal. If you have the offroad upgrade, the 22mm shocks that are aluminum, will work with it.

2. ive been searching around ive read some places that the rear dogbones can be used if they are used with a ball bearing. Have you heard anything about this mod? Also i think i remember reading somewhere that the hot racing rear dogbones are 1mm longer than the gpm dogbones but i may be wrong though Please, show me where you got this information from. If it's a legit person, I may be able to back it up. I do not have GPM, or Hot Racing dog bones in front of me. So I can't measure, and back that up by myself.

3. Is the gpm front and rear alloy stubs and cvd joint sets really needed since they arent compatible with the 4wd kit? or can they be modded to work with the off road kit?No matter what, knuckles will always work with the drop kit, regular kit, or offroad kit. As long as you have alloy knuckles, or plastics for that matter, the "stubs" will work, and are well advised because they will give less slop than the stock plastic ones.

i myself have been thinking about picking up an xtreme 180 bb motor to drop in the h2

i was at my local LHS yesterday and saw they had a nice selection of hi-tech servos so maybe later on down the line ill swap the 180 out for a servo conversion Save yourself some money, just get the servo now. ;)

4. Which is the best servo to get?
i think ive read that the hitech 55, 65, and 85 are good for servo motor mod. All of them are very good, but the best is the HS-55 with 13kgs of power? I believe that's the proper number, can't remember off the top of my head. But that is the best for the price.

5. Any other servos good for the conversion? Yes, but not a lot of other servos will fit without major mods to your motor mount. Can it be done, yes. Will it be easy, probably not.

6. any good links for alloy evo truck upgrades besides PX, AM, asiatees, and rcmart ??? http://gpmdepot.ecrater.com/ That is also a good place to order GPM from. ;)

;) Hope this helps.

Fri, 06/08/2007 - 02:17

#10

fer_rayado124

Joined: 03/23/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

I dont have all anzwers but can help you out.

1)The shock mount in the Off-road are different from aluminum.
2)not sure HR are mm longer, but you should upgrade to BB.
3)well I can recomend CVD because you wont lose because they are grab to the wheels.
4)THat depends on your budget, in that order they are from cheap to expensive
5)any micro servo should work.
6)no, asiatees is the best (for me)

Fri, 06/08/2007 - 00:35

#11

SiN415

Joined: 05/08/2007

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

thanks for the info donziikid
it helps me out alot

i got a few questions for you:

1. from what youre telling me is that the front and rear metal shock mounts arent compatible with the off road kit so it really not needed then right?

2. ive been searching around ive read some places that the rear dogbones can be used if they are used with a ball bearing. Have you heard anything about this mod? Also i think i remember reading somewhere that the hot racing rear dogbones are 1mm longer than the gpm dogbones but i may be wrong though

3. Is the gpm front and rear alloy stubs and cvd joint sets really needed since they arent compatible with the 4wd kit? or can they be modded to work with the off road kit?

i myself have been thinking about picking up an xtreme 180 bb motor to drop in the h2

i was at my local LHS yesterday and saw they had a nice selection of hi-tech servos so maybe later on down the line ill swap the 180 out for a servo conversion

4. Which is the best servo to get?
i think ive read that the hitech 55, 65, and 85 are good for servo motor mod.

5. Any other servos good for the conversion?

6. any good links for alloy evo truck upgrades besides PX, AM, asiatees, and rcmart ???

Thu, 06/07/2007 - 16:41

#12

Donziikid

Joined: 06/13/2006

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

nitemeer wrote:

....why u triple post the same thread...?

Please don't post if you have nothing to contribute to the topic.

Alright, Sin; it seems that you have posted a lot of aluminum upgrades that could contribute greatly to what you are doing.

If you have picked up the Xmods Truck (xT) I'm sure you're familiar with the wheel slop. That's due to the nuckles, so you should deffinetly pick up a set of those.

No one in the aluminum casting business has made any dogbones for the offroad package. I'm not sure if anyone has gotten a set to work besides the plastics, but I'm not sure on that. So if you order dogbones, they will be to short if you have the offroad package. Same with the upper shock mounts for both the rear, and front of the truck. They are not the offroad package mounts. To my knowledge, nothing for the offroad package has been made in aluminum.

I also see that you have a lot of gears in there. So those could be a benifit to you. Are they "nessecary", no they are not. But they will not break quite as easily if something goes wrong.

If you are going for the ultimate offroader, you are going to want a few things.

-Aluminum Knuckles for all four corners.
-Both front, and rear shock towers.
-Bearings for the drive train.
-An offroad motor. Quite a lot of people are doing servo conversions with an HS-55 servo.

Also you stated that you are going to get the offroad package, the AWD package, and slammed rims. Pick those up while they're cheap. They'll come in handy. Especially the AWD and offroad kits.

Thu, 06/07/2007 - 13:30

#13

nitemeer

Joined: 03/08/2007

Re: which upgrades/alloy parts are needed for a good crawler?

....why u triple post the same thread...?