No.

You've got to be kidding me.

No kiddin, well "change" isn't going to happen, candidates have been saying that since.... No one knows when. Now how much has changed? Very little.
Besides, isn't the end of the world supposed to happen during his term? 2011-2012-ish?

This is the most action this site has seen in a year.

In actuallity, the democrats have been the majority in the house for two years...but can't get anything done or promote any changes because the president has vetoed any bill they've tried to implement.

There are two points of view in this world when it comes to economic standards, and in reality there is always someone who doesn't get a fair shake. In the past, the rich have gotten richer due to their tax breaks and level of taxation in general. In the future, I don't see rich people going poor or see more people getting a freer ride on the welfare system...I think a difference of view of how the new economic program is going to have to be seen to really make an informed opinion.

Do you think that the economic program has worked well in the past? How exactly then did this economic crisis start if not for poor judgement from the top 5% in the economic world and government "enforcing" regulations?

If I were a large lending company in charge of mortgages and such, I don't honestly believe i'd part with money to bad credit risks even with the possibility of a huge interest return in the long term. It just doesn't make sense that all these forclosures are unfortunate circumstances rather than bad loans given out on purpose due to faulty reasoning at the highest levels of business and government.

As for your view of the welfare system (and bringing up New Orleans) don't you see the fault in your logic? If I was from there I'd see the government as people who allowed New Orleans to get crushed by a storm through the lack of infrastructure imporvements and view anyone in charge as the enemy because of their lackluster pace at trying to rebuild their city...call me crazy but I wouldn't work very hard if i saw the government and big business thumbing their respective noses at me through poor performance and lackluster leadership. It is always the biggest stereotype to say that welfare people should get off their lazy asses...if the system was good in the first place I would hope that people could promote themselves in life. There will always be less than ideal (call them lazy, whatever) welfare recipients but maybe with a new hope in the government it will promote a change in attitude about their place in life.

Do you really believe that Obama is going to promote a socialist government? Honestly?

I can see the overall view...i guess because being Canadian i can be impartial. In my impartial view, Obama is the "lesser of two evils" to use your phrase. :wink:

Though the article was republican, the concerns expressed all coincide with what many economist are saying. Spreading of the wealth goes against the free-market entirely. If you work hard to make an A, is it fair that if I made an F that I should get your grade too?

Why should my taxes continue to go to an expanding welfare plan for a bunch of ungrateful people? Why should the Americans that support 90% of the taxes and provide businesses, jobs, and products for americans be punished for being successful?

Barack Obama worked to get to where he is now with out hand outs. Helluva "Rags-to-riches" story. You don't see many people who live on welfare (but sill have full ability to work for their money, aka 60% of New Orleans before the hurricane) trying very hard to move on up. Don't think giving them more money to sit on their rear will help either.

I've talked to a few people who are entrepreneurs, business owners, and rich off their own work, their very unsettled with his plans for our economy, as it could severely limit their growth in the future.

Plus, democrats have held the house the past 4 years. Bush can't be the root of all evil.. but all presidents become scape-goats for others. :?

TBH, McCain was a crappy Republican candidate too. But the lesser of two evils.

I don't see how you can quote a republican's discussion on Obama's tax views and ideas and call it a true impartialistic understanding.

thesacrament, I now understand your bias...it's not about being a republican it seems to be about racism. Your words of a "colored" president is unbelievably shallow and I really can't believe you're going to call him a mistake.

Do you really think that John McCain would have ben better?

1. His economic stance was vague and didn't have any direction...other than ruin the environment with close offshore drilling.

2. His choice of Sarah Palin was an insult to smart republicans in the fact that she had less experience than Obama and had shown in her dealings as Gov. that she could abuse her station of power well.

3. His advanced age and medical record (300 pages long) would make everyone sensible believe that it feasibly could be Palin as president. 8O

I believe that anyone taking the job right now is going to have a tough go of it...but the man trying to give people hope is a better choice than the man wanting to keep people afraid. :wink:

I don't think I'm going to continue chatting about this...in my view it's really not going to go anywhere. The republicans out there are too narrow minded to give hope a chance and will never change. I'm sorry but it does seem to be true...if this thread and site is around in four years then maybe we can talk about what's happened and how I was so wrong to believe in a black U.S. president.

I doubt I'm wrong...it really couldn't get any worse. :lol:

Him being black had an enormous impact. Blacks tend to vote democratic +/- 90%. But, this year 97% for obama, with a spike in black votes. That's a large group of people to come out of the wood works in this election, and with both percentages jumping up this election in Obama's favor, you can more than bet it had a big factor in his winning.

Spreading of wealth and taxing the people who already cover 90% of our taxes so that more lazy asses can live off on welfare, don't ring well.

Socialism FTL.

It's amazing the laundry list of economist and petitions against Obama's economic plans. And talk to wealthy people who fall into his ever lowering tax brackets. Already they are taxed heavily.

I can use my god-parents as an example. My god-father started off in an average middle class home, took close to a decade worth of schooling, and has paid off pretty well in life. Under my assumption, they make over the 125k per year and would be taxed heavier to "spread the wealth", so I'll run with the example.

My god-father is in the oil industry, primarily in the investment and business end. You can thank this wonderfull economic stress that the company won't invest in smaller business ventures at the moment, only 100% sure shots with larger businesses.

My god-parents built and own to vacation homes along the Guadilupe River in New Braunsfels. 1, the 1st is now their personal one, while the Duplex which was built 3 years ago is rented out. If taxes are too heavy, and they were to sell those homes (that they built no less), so your average person thats just "hey, richie don't get to vacation no more". Sort of things Obama tends to play on in some of his speeches I've noticed.

But, in the loosing of atleast the duplex for instance, means much more to the people other than my god parents. They employ and older "disable" woman to do general upkeep and clean the duplex after renters leave. For the kind of money they pay her, she would not otherwise be able to make in her condition. She looses her job, and her income. The duplex does haul in a pretty damn large amount of renters during the season, which bring income into the many local family owned businesses as well. Of which would possibly be on the risky edge if they were over that 125k line, and can't easily invest in their own business.

Should the people who truly support this countries jobs, businesses, and economy be the ones punished? Should my God-Father be punished for years-on-end of hard work to get to where he is, to pay so that as one lady said after Obama's speech "Now I don't have to work or pay for my health care!"

:roll:

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/hundreds-of-economi...

My final question for Obama supporters that's been asked all week, but NONE have truly been able to answer objectively to me:

Obama's slogan has been "Change". What sort of "Change" are you expecting him to bring, and what exactly is he going to "Change" the US into?

Well, why do you believe Obama is bad for this country and McCain would be any better?

You can think what you want, thats fine. But starting this January, the States will see what a mistake has been made, just because of them wanting a "change" of colored president.

And no matter how many people come to this site, it doesnt matter. I have this sig on about 10 different forums. Im expressing what I believe, and thats my right.

If anybody has a problem with it, dont look at it.

thesacrament,

I find your narrow minded view fairly ridiculous. Your view really seems to have been dredged from FoxNews and the media that report every backasswards lie about Obama being a terroristsocialistmarxistnonamerican...something that is obviously not true.

I personally would rather hear the word change then hear the "maverick" bumble over attempts to make the republican party platform sound new and believable. Running a campaign on the fact that you're a "maverick" and then repeatatly not being able to prove it just condemned Palin and McCain to a campaign joke...there hasn't been a democratic win like this one since Kennedy. I think hearing the word change is much better than facing four more years of the staus quo party rule.

I do agree that it will be difficult for him to fix everything that the Republicans and G.bush have screwed up...they have done so much to hurt America and it's reputation that it'll be a hard fought road to clean up the U.S' standing in the world.

While I apprieciate your point of view, I do sincerly think you've been led astray be the media and you should wait and see what happens once he takes office in January. :wink:

As a sidenote, your signature makes me laugh...it really does point out your narrow media led view of the world. I'd like you to change it but in reality since there are maybe three or four visitors here daily it's not like it'll make a difference who sees it. :lol:

I guess we'll have to just wait and see what Hussein does. I really dont believe in him, since he hasnt given anyone a reason to believe in him. He wants "change". Im so sick of hearing that word. Thats all he ever says.

But, we will see here pretty soon. I highly doubt he will be able to clean up anything that Bush has done.

You must have a hammer, because you hit the nail right on the head!

I also would like to shoot down the very stupid and immature "he won because he is black" statement right now. Before it even happens, because I am already sick of hearing it, and it's only been day two.

If you look, Democrats won across the board. He would have won regardless of race in this election. Also, the black vote is not a very high overall percentage, and the black vote is (If I recall correctly) 95% Democrat regardless of the candidates race.

I think what happened with this race is that many people figured that Bush was Republican, and he made a good mess of things, that another Republican would do that same, and that certainly is reason enough to steer voters away from McCain. That really would account for the landslide victory in Obama's favor.

Also, Palin separated many Republican voters. That didn't help the Conservative vote one bit.

go Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

Even though I'm Canadian and my opinion doesn't really rate highly, I'd have to say America has finally woken up and voted for a change.

Obama won because:

1. He showed real class and intelligence in his debates.
2. He refused to sink to the republican level of "trash talking the opponent" and stuck to the real agenda of restoring America to it's status as a world power.
3. he ran his platform and agenda on a government that isn't here to scare you into submission...something that the Republicans have been doing for eight years to ramrod anything they want done through the respective houses.

Unfortunately, the mess he's inherited will mke the next four years difficult. Hopefully with both a Democratic house on both ends he'll be able to promote some real changes and the republicans dont throw too many filibuster tantrums. :lol:

Nope.

I'm quite pleased that he won, actually.